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Posted by: Steve Warburton {Email left}
Location: Wrexham
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 8:40 PM
HI Alan we are trying to trace my wife's great grandfathers military history as we only had an old photo in uniform.his name was John Thomas Jarvis born 1887 died 1966 from Walsall his profession was a railway stoker and the photo cap badge looked like Royal engineers and we assume staffs division.any help would be greatly received.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 14th November 2016 at 4:39 PM

Dear Steve,
There is no military record that identifies John Thomas Jarvis in the Royal Engineers so it is not possible to state his wartime service. There were medal rolls entries for two men named John T. Jarvis who served in the Royal Engineers from 1916 onwards. One of them was WR/259300 who served with the Railway division of the Royal Engineers. There is no further record of either man.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Alexander {Email left}
Location: Retford
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 2:59 PM
Hello Alan

Can I please ask you for some assistance, I have been asked by an old Forces friend to find some more about his Grandfathers war effort. I have been plagued by "page cannot be found" and have come to a dead end. I can only find his medal record for 1915 star, war and victory medal. The family seem to think he was also awarded a gallantry medal but again I can't see it on the Gazette? have I missed it or was it a myth!
Mr William Walter James Adams was born in London in 1888, his parents were Walter and Elizabeth. He was a Cpl in the Royal Engineers service No. 44185. He married Edith in Marylebone in 1915.
Apparently he suffered from what we now known as PTSD for many years but never spoke of his time during the war. Are you able to fill in any of the gaps please.

Many thanks
Regards

Alexander
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 9:11 PM

Dear Alexander,
No individual service record has survived for William W. J. Adams so it is not possible to state his service. He was a corporal in the Royal Engineers and he first went to France on 10th July 1915. He survived the war and was discharged on 26th March 1919. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
William Adams was awarded the Military Medal according to a Supplement to The London Gazette published 2nd November 1917, page 11327: “His Majesty the King has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the Field to the undermentioned non-commissioned officers and men:-”
The list included: “44185 Cpl.W. W. J. Adams, R.E. (Marylebone)”.
Citations for the Military Medal were not published nationally, so it is not possible to say how the award was earned.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alexander
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 10:57 PM

Hello Alan,

Thank you so much for your very prompt reply.
I shall pass on the medal information and especially the Military medal, which he will be delighted to see.
Thank you again and a donation will be made to the RBL as requested.

Regards

Alexander
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 10:59 PM

Dear Alexander,
Thank you for making a donation to the Royal British Legion.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Anne Oakford {Email left}
Location: Perth Western Australia
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 6:15 AM
Hello Alan, I hope that you can help me. My maternal Uncle, Private Alfred Burns, 1st Battalion King's Own Scottish Borderers, service no. 10795, was killed on the Somme in 1916 and has no known grave. His name appears on the memorial at Thiepval. I am trying to identify when he would have enlisted. At the time of his enlistment, he appears to have been resident in Scotland, but enlisted in Berwick.

Thanking you in hopes

Regards

Anne Oakford
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 4:14 PM

Dear Anne,
No individual service record has survived for Alfred Burns so it is not possible to state when he enlisted. An Army medal-rolls index card recorded he entered Egypt on 16th November 1914 which indicates he was a Regular Army soldier, as the 1st Battalion King’s Own Scottish Borderers travelled from India to Egypt leaving Bombay on 2nd November 1914. They remained in Egypt until December 14th and then sailed for Plymouth, arriving 28th December 1914. The Battalion then sailed from Avonmouth for Egypt on March 18th 1915 arriving March 30th. They then sailed via Mudros and landed at Gallipoli on 25th April 1915. On 8th January 1916 they left Gallipoli for Alexandria and on 18th March 1916 they arrived at Marseilles in France.
As Alfred Burns entered Egypt on the voyage from Lucknow he must have been with the Battalion in India in 1914. If you know he was recorded at home in the 1911 census it can be estimated he enlisted between 1911 and 1914.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Judith Lowe {Email left}
Location: Merseyside
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 5:19 PM
Good Evening Alan
The next two soldiers that we have looked at again in the Autograph Book are :
1. Private (F, J ,I or T), E Crowther of the 1st KOYLI
The previous information I sent you was J or F Crowther of KOYLI

2. Private I or J . E. Ingham of 1/4 East Lancashire Regiment, 42nd Division. M.E.F. September 23rd 1915.
The E is definitely correct, the I or J is not so certain.
Good luck with finding anything out about these two soldiers.
Judith
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 7:52 PM

Dear Judith,
F.E. Crowther, 20835, was Frederick Ernest Crowther, the son of a colliery owner, Thomas Crowther and his wife Sarah, of Woodbine Cottage, Barnsley Road, Dodsworth, Yorkshire. Frederick was born in 1881. He was the second son and eighth child of Thomas and Sarah. At the age of 20, Frederick was a steelworker. He married Mary Ethel Vaughan on November 27th 1901 at the Parish Church of Penistone, Yorkshire. He and his family lived at 29 Church Hill, Penistone. They had three children by 1911.
Frederick enlisted in the Army on 2nd January 1915, aged 33, and was sent to France to serve with the 1st Battalion King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry on 21st April 1915. He would have fought at The Second Battle of Ypres (22 April – 25 May 1915) and The Battle of Loos (25 September – 15 October 1915).
Frederick was discharged from the Army through sickness on 30th June 1916. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. He remained at Penistone where he died at the age of 68 on 3rd December 1949.
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Ingham was Joseph Edward Ingham, born at Southport on 19th September 1883, the son of John and Lilly Ingham who lived at Marble Place, North Meols. Joseph became a clockmaker and on 24th October 1907 he married Jane (Jennie) Wilson. Their daughter Edna May was born at Hope Street, Southport, on 6th December 1910.
Joseph enlisted in the East Lancashire Regiment (Territorial Force) on 5th October 1914 at the age of 31. He was allotted the regimental number 2469 and would have trained with the 2nd/4th Battalion at Southport and then Burgess Hill in Sussex before he was posted in 1st July 1915 to the 1st/4th Battalion East Lancashire Regiment which was serving at Gallipoli with the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division. By mid-August 1915 the Division had been reduced to little more than one-third of its normal strength by battle casualties and sickness.
After he had left Oakdene, Joseph served with the 5th Battalion Cheshire Regiment (242888) and the 15th Battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers (235480) in France. On 28th September 1917 he suffered from trench fever or “Pyrexia of Unknown Origin” (P.U.O.) and was admitted to hospital at Rouen before being repatriated and admitted to the Smithson auxiliary hospital at Greenock on 4th October 1917 and then 1st Scottish General Hospital at Aberdeen. He was allowed home from Aberdeen on 17th December 1917.
On 12th February 1918, Joseph enlisted in the Royal Flying Corps, which became the Royal Air Force on 1st April 1918. He enlisted as an Air Mechanic 3rd Class which was the lowest rank in the technical trades earning two shillings per day. He joined No. 15 Training Depot Station at Hucknall Aerodrome, Nottingham, and on 11th July 1918, he was posted to 117 Squadron at RAF Wyton, St Ives, Cambridgeshire. On 27th November 1918 he moved to No. 3 Flying School at Sedgeford, Norfolk, where he was an Aircraftsman 2nd Class. He was demobilized on 8th February 1919. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Joseph and his family moved to Blackburn where his daughter, Edna May married Allan Schofield in 1938. Joseph, a widower, died on 8th April 1947, at Blackburn in his 63rd year.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Judith Lowe
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 9:39 PM

Dear Alan
You have done some amazing work on finding out information about these last two soldiers. Thank you so much. We are nearing the end of our research with just a few names to work on now.

Best regards
Judith Lowe
Posted by: Joe Freaney {No contact email}
Location: Ireland
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 11:49 AM
Hi Alan

If you get a chance, could you look for information on George Doherty, Service No 21309, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.

Thanks

Joe
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 8:54 PM

Dear Joe,
George Doherty was probably private soldier number 21039 (not 21309) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers who enlisted on 15th April 1915. He was posted to the 1st Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers on 6th October 1915. The 1st Battalion had been at Gallipoli since 25th April 1915, so George would have been a wartime recruit posted overseas as part of a draft of reinforcements.
No service record has survived for him so it is not possible to state his service in detail. At some stage after being repatriated to Ireland he was transferred to the Irish Command Labour Centre (Labour Corps, private, 421198) suggesting he was no longer physically for war service at the Front. He was discharged through sickness, aged 22, on 26th March 1918.
George qualified for the 1914-15 Star; the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Joe Freaney
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 10:49 PM

Hi Alan, thank you so much for the information. I have another soldier who is buried at home here in Ardmore RC Cemetery. He is 19504 Private J Burke Royal Irish Fusiliers who died February 1915 - he was 37.

Any info would be much appreciated.

Regards

Joe
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 4:17 PM

Dear Joe,
J. Burke’s regimental number was 19514. He was buried on 8th May 1918. There is no military record for him and he appears not to have served overseas. The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded he was the husband of Bridget Burke, of 21, Margaret St., Londonderry.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Joe Freaney
Date: Sunday 13th November 2016 at 8:30 PM

Hi Alan

Thank you for that information. I was speaking with my mother in law re the fantastic information you have been providing and she provided me with a small treasure trove: a 1914-1915 star, a victory medal, dog tags, a badge with a harp and crown with the motif 'comrades of the great war' and a tobacco box from Christmas 1914. All belonged to Gnr R Stewart 23581 of R.G.A.

His brother also served - William - not sure which regiment, possibly the Royal Inniskillings. One of the boys struggled after the war and I believe may have taken his own life.

I think the boys were from Inishowen, Co Donegal.

They are the uncles of my wife's late father. Any info would again be much appreciated.

Regards

Joe
Reply from: Joe Freaney
Date: Monday 14th November 2016 at 10:03 AM

Hi Alan

I think I have a service number for William - 22629.

Regards

Joe
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 14th November 2016 at 5:07 PM

Dear Joe,
Robert Stewart from Londonderry joined the Royal Garrison Artillery in September 1905, aged 19. He served in India in 1907; Rangoon, 1909; Egypt, 1912 while he was with No. 3 Mountain Battery R.G.A.. In 1914 he went to France where he served with No. 7 Mountain Battery which was with IV Corps in December 1914; transferred to I Corps in January 1915; and transferred to IV Corps in August 1915. From 26th November 1915 Robert Stewart served with 16th Heavy Battery R.G.A.. He was discharged from the Army on 21st February 1919.
It has not been possible to identify a William Stewart the regimental number 22629 Dear Steve,
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Joe Freaney
Date: Monday 14th November 2016 at 6:40 PM

Super stuff, Alan. My search for William will continue.

Thanks

Joe
Reply from: Joe Freaney
Date: Monday 14th November 2016 at 6:43 PM

John/Jack Carruthers from Derry served his war in the Merchant Navy, where would one obtain information about his WW1 experiences.

Regards

Joe
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 15th November 2016 at 2:03 PM

Dear Joe,
Merchant seamen’s records from 1913 to 1917 have been destroyed. Details of searching for later records are shown at:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/merchant-seaman-serving-after-1917/
See also the surname searchable 1915 Crew Lists index from the National Maritime Museum.
http://1915crewlists.rmg.co.uk/
The Crew Lists Project is useful:
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/
Merchant seamen’s records were recorded on index cards that showed ship’s official numbers which can be further researched at:
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum.php
Because I am very busy on the Forum at the moment might I ask you to use the “new post” button when seeking details of another person, so I can see it more readily. Otherwise it is like unravelling wallpaper (smiles).
With kind regards,
Alan

Posted by: Young Buzzard {Email left}
Location: Newton Abbot
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 10:59 AM
Good Morning Alan,
Today I am seeking assistance with the service records of Leonard Vincent Broughton , service number 2GH/255, and who appears to have enlisted in October 1915. His service number quoted refers I think to the Amry Service Corps, and I believe he spent most of the War serving in Malta, possibly at one of the hospitals on the Island, I say this because the records show him as having a RAMC service number of 51777126 in 1919 I think?.
Can you straighten out the facts for me please.
Reply from: Alan Greeson
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 8:53 PM

Dear David,
Leonard Vincent Broughton served only in the Royal Army Medical Corps. He enlisted at the age of 17 at the Duke of York’s Barracks, Chelsea, on October 11th 1915 and was allotted the Territorial Army regimental number 255 prefixed with 2GH because he joined No. 2 London General Hospital, also known as the Second London General Hospital (R.A.M.C. Territorial Force) which was established in St Mark's College, 552 King's Road, Chelsea.
In 1915, Leonard stated his age was 19; he was 5ft 10ins tall and was a clerk living at 21, Netta Road, Hammersmith. His next-of-kin was his father, Frederick, who lived at The Old Inn, Widecombe-in-the-Moor. In the 1911 census, Leonard was recorded as a 12-year-old scholar with his parents Frederick and Mary at 37 Bearcroft Buildings, S.W., Fulham, London. Leonard’s birth was registered in Middlesex in 1898.
Leonard initially enlisted for Home Service only, but on 11th December 1915 he signed the Imperial Service Obligation agreeing to serve overseas. This was a statement by Territorial Army soldiers who agreed to go abroad despite the fact the original Territorial Force had been intended only for home defence: a situation that became untenable during the war.
Three days later, Leonard embarked for Malta, on 14th December 1915. There, he served with No. 3 Malta Company R.AM.C. (T.F.) at St George’s Hospital. Early in 1917 when all the Territorial Force was re-numbered, he was allotted a new R.A.M.C. regimental number, 517126. In September 1916, St George's Hospital held a maximum of 1,412 beds. It closed in October 1917. Vera Brittain had served at St George’s Hospital from October 1916 to May 1917.
On 4th April 1918 Leonard was posted from No. 3 Malta Company R.A.M.C. to France. He arrived at Rouen on 18th April 1918 and remained at a base depot in Rouen until 11th May 1918 when he was posted to 1st/4th London Field Ambulance which was part of the 47th (2nd London) Division. In Leonard’s time in France the Division fought at The Battle of Albert (21st – 23rd August 1918); and The Second Battle of Bapaume (21st August to 3rd September 1918) during the Second Battles of the Somme 1918; and The Operations in Artois and the official entry into Lille which had been occupied by the Germans.
Leonard remained in France with 1st/4th Field Ambulance until it was reduced in strength in May 1919 when he returned to England. He was demobilized on 14th June 1919, aged 22.
Leonard married Mabel Violet Niquet at Kingston, Surrey, in 1922. The couple emigrated to Australia with their son Peter in 1951. Mabel died in 1985 and Leonard died, aged 96, in 1994 and is buried at Springvale, Victoria, Melbourne.
Leonard Vincent Broughton qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
The War Diary for 1/4 Field Ambulance can be downloaded for £3.45 from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7354548
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Judith Lowe {Email left}
Location: Merseyside
Date: Friday 11th November 2016 at 5:34 PM
Hi Alan
I meant to say that PG Amos appeared never to go abroad and therefore must have been injured in England
Judith
Posted by: Judith Lowe {Email left}
Location: Merseyside
Date: Friday 11th November 2016 at 5:32 PM
Dear Alan
Three of us had a meting yesterday with the Autograph Book and your comments and there were several alterations made ti the information that I sent you. Here we go:
1. R Masewell Royal Irish Fusiliers. R M. C.S.M. 1916
2. P G Amos 2/4 Buffs . In Oakdene October 7th 1915
Maybe some of this information will help you in your reseach.
Thanks in advance
Judith Lowe
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 2:00 PM

Dear Judith,
The Company Sergeant Major in Princess Victoria’s Royal Irish Fusiliers was Robert Maxwell, 8149, who went to France on 22nd August 1914 with the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers as a sergeant, so he would have been a regular army soldier serving before the war started. In 1914, he would have fought at The Battle of Le Cateau; The Battle of the Marne; The Battle of the Aisne; and The Battle of Armentières. On November 11th 1914, it was announced he had been admitted to hospital in England and was at the 1st Western General Hospital at Liverpool.
He returned to active service with the 5th Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers and became a Company Sergeant Major. The 5th Battalion merged with the 6th Battalion to form the 5th/6th Battalion on 2nd November 1916 at Salonika. Robert Maxwell was then promoted to Regimental Sergeant Major. The 5th/6th Battalion R.I.F. moved to Egypt and Palestine in September 1917. The Battalion moved from Egypt to France in May 1918 (when the Palestine forces were re-organised) and Robert Maxwell was commissioned as an officer and served with the 5th/6th Battalion R.I.F. as a Second Lieutenant from 5th April 1918. The Battalion remained in France and Belgium until it was disbanded.
Robert Maxwell qualified for the 1914 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
The 1911 census of England recorded a Robert Maxwell, aged 25, single, born Co. Antrim, Belfast as a Sergeant in the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers stationed at Bordon Camp, Headley, Hampshire. He appears to have been born in 1885. There were three possible entries in the Irish birth records for Robert Maxwell in Belfast, so he can’t be identified further.
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The 2nd/4th Buffs were formed at Canterbury in September 1914. In November they moved to Ascot and in May 1915 they moved to Ashford in Kent. In April 1915 a “Kent Composite Battalion” was created by combining one company each from the 2nd/4th and 2nd/5th Buffs (East Kent Regiment) and 2/4th and 2nd/5th The Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment. This composite battalion joined the 53rd (Welsh) Division at Cambridge on 24th April 1915 and on 14th June 1915 it became the 2nd/4th Battalion Royal West Kent Regiment at Bedford and served with 160th (Welsh Border) Infantry Brigade.
Technically, the composite 2nd/4th Royal West Kent was not the “Buffs” even though half the men were from the Buffs. An Army medal roll for Amos recorded the ‘Roy. West Kent Regt.’ with “Buffs” deleted.
There was a Percy George Amos recorded at Canterbury in the 1911 census as an 18-year-old plumber, of 61 Ivy Lane, Canterbury, who was born in 1893, the son of James and Hannah Amos. In the 1901 census he was recorded as having an elder sister named Lilian M. Amos.
A Percy George Amos, born at Canterbury, was killed in action on 15th August 1917, serving as Lance-corporal Percy George Amos, 40158, 14th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, formerly 13539 East Kent Regiment (The Buffs) (‘Soldiers Died in the Great War’; HMSO 1921).
The Register of Soldiers’ Effects recorded Percy’s sole legatee was his sister Lilian M. Amos.
The C.W.G.C. Debt of Honour recorded Percy George Amos as the 24-year-old son of the late Mrs and Mrs J.W. Amos of 61 Ivy Lane, Canterbury. He was buried at Reservoir Cemetery, Ypres.
The Army medal rolls for the British War Medal and Victory Medal recorded Percy George Amos as Private 3159, 2/4th Royal West Kent Regiment, who later served as 13539, 1st East Kent Regiment, and later still as Lance-corporal 40158, Royal Irish Rifles. The 1914-15 Star medal roll recorded he went overseas with the 2/4th Royal West Kent Regiment, 13539, on 20th July 1915 at Gallipoli.
Despite the confusing nature of his regimental numbers, he was Percy George Amos of the 2/4th Buffs who served at Gallipoli with 2/4th Royal West Kent Regiment and then returned to active service with the Royal Irish Rifles.
The 2nd/4th Battalion Royal West Kent Regiment sailed with the 53rd Division from Southampton on 20th July 1915 and landed at Suvla Bay between the end of July 1915 and 10th August 1915 and fought in the Suvla Bay area, suffering many casualties from the local conditions (weather; dysentery etc.) in addition to the fighting.
It is not possible to state Percy’s subsequent record in detail, but on the date he was killed he was with 14th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles. They were with 36th (Ulster) Division at The Battle of Langemarck (16th – 18th August 1917) which was the second Allied attack during the Third Battle of Ypres.
Percy George Amos qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Judith Lowe
Date: Saturday 12th November 2016 at 4:42 PM

Dear Alan
Well done on finding information on Maxwell and Amos. It was well worth us looking at them together last week.
Thank you very much
JUDITH Lowe.
Posted by: Kez {No contact email}
Location: Australia
Date: Thursday 10th November 2016 at 12:07 AM
Morning Alan,
I need some advice please. I am researching Internees at Trial Bay Gaol, South West Rocks NSW during 1915-1919 WW1. Most of them were German. Even if Naturalized they were still interned.
They were there from 1915-1919 after which most of them were 'shipped back to Germany' on either the 'Kursk' 29.05.1919 or the 'Rio Negro' 20.08.1919
I have found some aboard the 'Rio Negro' were 'escorted' by AIF to London, arriving 27.10.1919
Could you suggest who then 'took them over? Would the English Army then have 'escorted' them to Germany or the AIF?
Just not sure where to look,
many thanks Alan, cheers Kez
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 10th November 2016 at 6:48 PM

Dear Kez,
The steamer Rio Negro (Black River) sailed from Australia on Wednesday 20th August 1919 destined for the port of Rotterdam in The Netherlands where the German deportees disembarked. The ship’s Captain was Henry Daniel D.S.C. from Penzance, Cornwall. The agents were W. Leaman and Co. for the Orient Line (The Orient Steam Navigation Company). The Rio Negro carried some 593 “enemy subjects” and 80 officers and men of the A.I.F. who had escorted the men from Holdsworthy Camp earlier in the day. This was the largest internment camp in Australia at Holdsworthy (later spelt Holsworthy), near Liverpool on the outskirts of Sydney. The Rio Negro sailed from a wharf at Pyrmont, Sydney, New South Wales, and passed into the Darling Harbour at 4 p.m. 20th August (‘Sydney Morning Herald’ 21st August 1919).
Rotterdam was a neutral port on the North Sea with direct river and overland links to the Dutch-German border. The shorter sea routes across the English Channel were being used in 1919 by vessels carrying a quarter of a million German POWs who were being repatriated from Britain.
The Rio Negro called briefly at Plymouth, Devon, on Thursday 23rd October 1919, to allow some members of the armed guard who had fallen sick during the voyage to be taken off at Millbay Docks and taken to the Military Hospital at Plymouth. The Rio Negro then sailed onwards for Rotterdam the same afternoon.
While at Plymouth the arrival attracted the curiosity of a newspaper reporter who wrote in the ‘Western Morning News’ on 24th October 1919 that during the voyage one man had fled the ship at Durban but was captured after an energetic pursuit. On board were “600 German men, women and children who were being deported from Australia to Germany even though many of them were born in Australia and did not even speak German.”
“The disinclination of the fugitive to return to the Fatherland seemed to be shared by a number of his compatriots on board. Many of them are unable to speak a word of German and are Australian born.”
A 72-year-old deportee had lived in Australia for 35 years and most who had settled in the Antipodes seemed to wish to remain there. Some openly boasted that they would return to Australia within a matter of months (© Trinity Mirror via British Newspaper Archive).
A number of the passengers were stated to be well-known wool buyers in Australia.
The Rio Negro was originally a German vessel which in 1914 had operated in the South Atlantic out of Brazil and been handed over by Germany on March 29, 1919 to sail under a British flag with the Orient Line in accordance with the terms of surrender to the U.K.. In 1920 she was taken over by Ellerman Lines who used the Rio Negro as a refugee transport taking Russian refugees from the Black Sea ports into the Mediterranean. In January 1921, Ellerman Lines bought the ship and renamed her City of Palermo.
It October 1919 Rio Negro sailed under a British flag into the port of Rotterdam where her 600 German detainees disembarked.
The Australian armed guards were on special service with the A.I.F. and they returned to Australia early in 1920 on board the vessel SS Friedrichsruh. This was the former German liner initially named Fürst Bismarck built at Glasgow by the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company for the Hamburg America Line in 1905 and surrendered in 1919. The Friedrichsruh sailed from Plymouth, England, on January 22nd 1920 and called at Freemantle on February 28th 1920 before arriving at Melbourne on March 8th 1920.
There is a photograph of most of the A.I.F. guards at:
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01879.001
Some 74 of the guards’ names were signed on a souvenir photograph : H. Bruce; J. Abbey; W. A. Stevenson; W. Roberts; H. J. Laws; J. Ross; H. McPherson; V. Floyd; A. C. Bell; P. Hampson; A. C. Parry; K. L. Morris; B. De Riser; Sergeant G. Potter; J. Wood; Chas Richardson; Robt Jones; J. Adams; H. C. Harper; B. Fuller; R. S. Dall; H. Francis; R. E. Larolis; J. J. McKew; F. W. Mare; H. Pescut; W. R. Adams; W. L. Morris; Charles Curtis; O. W. Bulmer; Harold Edwards; G. Crago; W. B. Regan; Joseph Lee; Marc Gray; W. J. Piggott; E. A. Jones; James Dalton; L. M. S. Dean; T. Igoe; A. Perry; N. L. Bradley; E. Downick; J. G. Sherringham; T. W. Howard; C. C. Walker; G. T. Adair; E. Ivers; A. H. Donaldson; W. W. Clark; J. A. Dunn; T. J. Haydon; E. Dowling; J. A. Fahey; G. Thwaites; J. Hogg; C. G. Wilkinson; P. M. Solomon; Maurice Michenay; H. Steele; Eric A. Peisley; H. Swickfalls; A. Kieron; R. T. Humphreys; Lieutenant J. Young; Lieutenant D. H. Ross; Lieutenant Colonel G. H. Knox; Alex A. Flaherty; Lieutenant J. H. Dee; Lieutenant Jim Smith; Chaplain M. J. Smith; Captain E. S. Dann; Captain Arthur J. Day.
The card was probably signed at the end of the voyage of the Rio Negro and the missing half-dozen names would be those sick A.I.F. men taken off at Plymouth.
See the photograph held by the Australian War Memorial at:
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01879.002
There is a list of names of some 92 German prisoners of war from the South Australian 4th Military District at Torrens Island who were repatriated on Rio Negro, shown at:
http://torrensislandinternmentcamp.com.au/deportation.html
So it was Australians who escorted the deportees to Rotterdam. By 1919 the German authorities were co-operating with the Inter-Allied agencies in repatriating both German detainees and prisoners of war.
Apparently, conditions on the Friedrichsruh on the voyage home were very bad. See the article in the ‘Perth Daily News’ dated March 1st 1920: “Transport Discomforts” at:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/8011680
With kind regards,
Alan

Note: the shipping departures and arrivals have been taken from contemporary local newspapers and not from primary sources.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 10th November 2016 at 11:05 PM

Correction: The line reading: There is a photograph of most of the A.I.F. guards at:
should read:
There is a photograph of a group of the A.I.F. guards at:
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01879.001
Reply from: Kez
Date: Thursday 10th November 2016 at 11:12 PM

My goodness me Alan! Thank, thank you for all that information, I REALLY appreciate it.
Cheers Kez
Posted by: Gordon Wilson {No contact email}
Location: Northern Ireland
Date: Wednesday 9th November 2016 at 3:16 PM
Dear Alan
I'm trying to seek as much information as I can about my Fathers War Service but finding things very difficult in doing so , a friend recommended yourself so I'm hoping you can shed some light on this for me . I would be grateful for any such information at all , all I have is the following info .

Robert Wilson served 7th battalion KOSB HQ company number was 3194180 don't know rank Or where he joined part of first airborne division at Arnhem. He never ever really talked about his service in the war.

Many Thanks Alan
Gordon
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 9th November 2016 at 4:40 PM

Dear Gordon,
I do not research the Second World War. Service records for soldiers who fought in the Second World War are not in the public domain and are held by the U.K. Ministry of Defence. The MoD will release certain amounts of information to the next-of-kin for a fee. See:
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
The 7th (Galloway) Battalion The King's Own Scottish Borderers (K.O.S.B.) was raised in 1939 and was employed on coastal defences from Essex to the Shetlands until 1943. In November 1943 the battalion moved to Lincolnshire as part of 1st Airlanding Brigade of 1st Airborne Division, where it trained with Horsa gliders.
The war diary of 7th (Galloway) Battalion King’s Own Scottish Borderers is at:
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/war_7thkosb.htm
With kind regards,
Alan

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