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Posted by: Becca {Email left}
Location: E Yorks
Date: Wednesday 14th December 2016 at 11:34 PM
Hello Alan,
Yes, it's me again. This time I am wondering if you can help with two brothers from a large family of 16. You have already helped me with two other brothers. This time I am looking for anything on Joseph Derrick born 5 August 1887 to Michael and Mary Derrick (nee Hassette)
As far as I know he served with the Yorkshire Wagoners No 674

His younger brother Thomas was born 12 May 1891, and all I have found regarding his military connection in this:- 1911 England Census for Thomas Derrick aboard HMS Racehorse on 2 April 1911
and one record with a number 406?9 date 1919. He died in 1952 so survived the war as did Joseph who died in 1947
I realise this is not much to go on, but I do hope you can fill in a little bit more history in the exceptionally large family.
Kind regards and all good wishes
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 15th December 2016 at 1:40 PM

Dear Becca,
There is no record for Joseph Derrick that shows where he served. He enlisted in the Special Reserve of the Army Service Corps horse transport on 10th January 1914 and was mobilized on 6th August 1914 and went to France and Flanders on 20th August 1914. In France he served with No 2 Reserve Park under the command of GHQ. This would have been 30 Company ASC. He returned to England on 31st December 1915 and was discharged from the Army on 9th January 1916.
A service record for Thomas Derrick can be downloaded from The National Archives for £3.45. See:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Becca
Date: Thursday 15th December 2016 at 7:35 PM

Thank you again Alan.
All the best to you and yours for the festive season

Posted by: Young Buzzard {Email left}
Location: Newton Abbot
Date: Tuesday 13th December 2016 at 10:21 AM
Morning Alan,
A friend has just sent me a photo of Robert Stewart Palmer born in Torquay, Devon on 3rd March 1902. He is in military uniform, claimed to be a in the "signals"!., but I cannot find any trace of any military record, With his date of birth I wonder if he served in the Great War at all? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th December 2016 at 9:02 PM

Dear David,
He was too young to have served in the First World War legitimately as he could have lied about his age only until the 15th August 1915 which was Registration Day recording information about every man and woman aged between 15 and 65 for a new National Register. This register was used for compulsory conscription for men aged 18 years and over, so someone born in 1902 would not have been on the register. The Army service dress uniform of the First World War was worn until 1939, so he might have served after the war. Post-war service records are not in the public domain. The MoD will release information to the next-of-kin or others on application and payment of a fee of £30. See:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Steve
Date: Tuesday 8th August 2017 at 11:58 PM

Robert Stewart Palmer was my great-uncle. He lived at Widecombe-in-the-Moor. He as in the Army in India in the 1920s, and in the RAF in WW2.

He is one or more of these: 35059 Corporal Robert S Palmer in the Royal Engineers, 2312415 Signalman R S Palmer in the Royal Signals, 343152 Lieutenant R S Palmer of the Gurkha Rifles.

(scbray at hotmail dot com)

Posted by: Bob Sherlock {Email left}
Location: Matlock Derbys
Date: Tuesday 13th December 2016 at 9:52 AM
My grandfather William Alfred Sherlock born 1898 Derbyshire.we have a couple of photos in uniform ww1 but no records of service whatsoever!!!. His age puts him on the cusp of volunteering/conscription. Story is he was refused more than once on medical condition, mystery is why/how the uniform pictures ( single & family group)
Posted by: Joe Freaney {No contact email}
Location: Ireland
Date: Tuesday 13th December 2016 at 7:12 AM
Hi Alan

Looking for information on William Stewart who served with the 10th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.


Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th December 2016 at 9:01 PM

Dear Joe,
At least four men named William Stewart served in the 10th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers during the First World War so you will need the man’s regimental number before he can be identified.
With kind regards,
Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill Merseyside
Date: Friday 9th December 2016 at 7:50 PM
Alan, could you in providing details on Pte 11970 John Pailthorpe of the Cheshire Regiment,particularly how he died.

Thank you.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 9th December 2016 at 11:33 PM

Dear Brian,
John Pailthorpe was born in about 1878 and lived in Stalybridge where he became a bobbin carrier at a cotton mill. He had served in the South Africa War (1899-1902) before joining the Cheshire Regiment at the outbreak of war in 1914. He was posted as part of a draft of reinforcements to the 1st Battalion Cheshire Regiment and spent some time attached to the HQ of 10th Corps. He might have been wounded because he was later posted through an infantry base depot in France to the 10th Battalion Cheshire Regiment. He died of pneumonia at Oakdene Auxiliary Hospital, Rainhill, on 8th July 1918. He was the husband of Mary Jane Pailthorpe of 6, Back Desmesne Street, Stalybridge. His death was reported in the Manchester Evening News on Wednesday 10th July 1918 (via British Newspaper Archive).
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Brian Renshall
Date: Saturday 10th December 2016 at 2:59 PM

Another one put to bed ! Thank you Alan

Posted by: Young Buzzard {Email left}
Location: Newton Abott
Date: Thursday 8th December 2016 at 11:05 AM
Good Morning Alan,
Today I need help in tracing the service during the Great War of Anthony Cornish Tucker Barrable a Private in the Royal Army Medical Corps No 1946. I know he was living in Widecombe in 1911 (as per census) and that he was listed as an "absent service voter" in 1919, but this is the sum total of my knowledge . I look forward to receiving any further information you can ascertain. Thank You.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 9th December 2016 at 7:18 PM

Dear David,
The only record for a private soldier in the R.A.M.C. with the regimental number 1946 related to Alfred Cyril Barrable who enlisted on 23rd November 1914, aged 20, and was discharged no longer physically fit on 16th July 1919, aged 25. He was born at Seaton, Devon, in July-September 1894, the son of Alfred Joseph and Lilian Dolores Barrable. In the 1911 census the family lived at 39 Gore Road, Raynes Park, Surrey, where Alfred Cyril was recorded as a window cleaner.
In 1917 Alfred’s regimental number was changed to 536187 R.A.M.C. That number was allotted to the 5th London Field Ambulance which served with 47th Division in France and Flanders. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal, but not the 1914-15 Star, indicating he did not serve overseas until some date after January 1st 1916.

Anthony Cornish Tucker Barrable was born at Exmouth in 1877 and in 1911 was a farm bailiff, married, aged 34, at the farm of Herbert Miles Fowler at Great Cator, Widecombe. There is no military record in Anthony Barrable’s name.
With kind regards,
Posted by: Young Buzzard {Email left}
Location: Newton Abbot
Date: Tuesday 6th December 2016 at 10:52 AM
Good Morning Alan,
Can you help please in piecing together the service history of Willam Pengilly 32312 Devonshire Regiment and of R.A.S.C. EMT/63949. I would like to know especially which part of the RASC he served with and when. I am also interested in his date of demobilisation. Thanks in advance for your continuing assistance.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 6th December 2016 at 5:04 PM

Dear David,
William Pengilly qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service before December 31st 1915, he would not have gone overseas until some date after January 1st 1916. His regimental number 32312 was a wartime number and during his war service he served overseas as part of a draft of reinforcements to the 2nd Battalion the Devonshire Regiment which had served in France and Flanders with the 8th Division from November 1914. Their engagements can be seen on Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail. See:
William would have been discharged early in 1919.
In 1920, the post-war Army ran a recruiting campaign in order to bring it up to strength with men who had experience. The “Western Gazette” of Friday 23rd January ran a large column headed: “Opportunities in H.M. Army. Experience counts – a few years with the Army fits a man to go anywhere or do anything.” The article went on to state that the Royal Army Service Corps (Mechanical Transport) had opportunities for some 26 trades ranging from driving to cleaning. Skilled workers could earn from three shillings to sixteen shillings a day depending on rank. Suitable single men aged between 19 and 35 would be taught motor driving (© Local World/ Trinity Mirror via British Newspaper Archive).
The Army medal rolls recorded William Pengilly re-enlisted in the R.A.S.C. on February 23rd 1920 and served until his “service was no longer required” on 25th July 1922. The prefix to his regimental number, EMT, stood for post-war enlistment, mechanical transport.
The British Army of 1920 served at Home, in Ireland and with the Armies of Occupation as well as continuing the clearing of battlefields and salvaging of war materiel.
With kind regards,
Posted by: Gwendolyn Howard {Email left}
Location: Halstead Co91td No 23
Date: Thursday 1st December 2016 at 5:17 PM
Dear Alan,I am trying to find details of the death of my grandfather Gnr James Hayes 1401759 who having served through WW1 was discharged 26-3-1919 but re-enlisted in the Royal Artillery 24-7-1919.
He was posted to India and then on to Basra,Mesopotamia where he met his death of "suffocation by drowning" on 4-5-1922. I have a letter from The War Office stating that his death "was not directly attributable to service and his widow was not eligible for a pension".
I can only assume that he was off duty at the time of his death but would like to know the actual details.
I cannot find any evidence of an official enquiry.
I also have found that he was buried at Basra Mekina RAF cemetery Row A Grave 2 but can you find the further details I seek so that I can close this part of the Family History?
I will of course make a donation to The Royal British Legion.

Kind Regards,
Mrs Gwendolyn Howard.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 1st December 2016 at 7:29 PM

Dear Gwendolyn,
Service records for men who were in the Forces in 1922 are not in the public domain. You can apply to the UK Ministry of Defence who will conduct a search of the records for a fee of £30. See:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Mrs Gwendolyn Howard
Date: Friday 2nd December 2016 at 11:00 AM

Dear Alan,Thank you for your prompt reply and address for further information. I have already contacted this section of the Ministry of Defence and is the source of most of the information sent in my original request. What I couldn't find was the actual cicumstances of my grandfather's death and no evidence of an official enquiry.
My hope was that with your experience of these things you might know of a different route by which this information could be obtained. I still hope that you or another researcher might be able to suggest yet another route I could try.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Ian Willden
Date: Friday 27th January 2017 at 11:34 PM

Posted by: Pete {Email left}
Location: E Yorks
Date: Tuesday 29th November 2016 at 10:50 PM
Hello Alan,
In 2011 you were very kind to help me with William Henry Walker. I am now trying to find information about is nephew Joseph Alfred Walker born 14 May 1880 in Hull. I have found a record showing he joined the UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service, but I am not sure when this took place or what led up to it.
Please may I ask if you can help me once more, if not to give me some information, perhaps you can tell me where my next search should be? Joseph died in September 1941. In the 1939 register he is shown to be incapacitated, crippled and of feeble mind.

Kind regards, Pete
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 30th November 2016 at 12:44 AM

Dear Pete,
You can purchase Joseph Alfred Walker’s service record to download from The National Archives at:
Information from the 1939 Register is copyright of the website and should not be reproduced on the internet on a forum such as this, because that contravenes the terms and conditions of your access to the Findmypast website.
We have to tell you that in order to protect this forum from copyright infringement.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Pete
Date: Wednesday 30th November 2016 at 8:45 PM

Apologies Alan for commenting on the 1939 Register, it has quite slipped my memory in my eagerness to find Joseph, - so easily done. Thank you for reminding me.

Posted by: Jennifer {No contact email}
Location: Yorkshire
Date: Tuesday 29th November 2016 at 5:45 PM
This is a very long shot indeed but you were recently kind enough to help my friend with some very useful information. I am doing my best, without much success, to research a distant ancestor born in the Bradford area around 1889 into very poor circumstances. By the age of ten he was wandering the county on his own, eventually being apprehended by the police and admitted to the industrial training school ship Southampton, which was based in Hull. He was ordered to be kept there until he was 16. After that, the trail begins to grow cold although it is family legend that he served in WW1. However, admittedly with our limited experience, we have been unable to find out if this is true. The Navy would seem the best bet in view of the training ship, but so far we have drawn a complete blank. If you can help, or are able to give any helpful suggestions about our possible means of research, we would be most grateful. thank you for your time. Jenny and family.
Reply from: Jennifer
Date: Tuesday 29th November 2016 at 5:48 PM

Sorry, I have just realised that I have missed out the name of the above. His name was Elijah Cecil Harrison.
Reply from: Pete
Date: Tuesday 29th November 2016 at 11:19 PM

Hello Jennifer
Just saw your request when sending mine (above) and as I live near Hull, I thought I would see if I could find anything for you.
It looks as though Elijah went to live and married in Canada, and there is a great deal of information about him on
I cannot access this for you but you will require Ancestry word wide. If you do not have it, then perhaps a library near you does. Worth a try. Happy searching
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 29th November 2016 at 11:29 PM

Dear Jennifer,
There is no obvious First World War record for Elijah Cecil Harrison. Few records that would provide biographical details have survived and many records used a man’s initials only, so it can be difficult if not impossible to search by name only.
His birth was registered in 1889 at Bradford, as Elijah Cecil W. Harrison. He was the son of John W. Harrison apparently born at Laisterdyke, Bradford, and his wife Annie, born at Leeds.
Their marriage would probably have been John William Harrison to Annie Whitwell of Stanningley, Leeds, in September 1888 at Tong, Bradford. In 1891 they lived at 97 Rochester Street, Bradford, Yorkshire. John W. Harrison’s occupation was “extractor of drip from bones”.
In 1900, Elijah Cecil Harrison, a “Keighley lad” and son of a widow was convicted of stealing a pony from a field. In 1901, Elijah Cecil was listed as Cecil Elijah.
Annie Harrison, widow, 35, appears to have married Lister Hunter, bachelor aged 27, (died 1910) on 19th May 1902, at Holbeck, Leeds, Yorkshire.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Jennifer
Date: Wednesday 30th November 2016 at 7:40 PM

I am grateful to you both, Alan and Pete, for providing further insight into Elijah's life on my behalf. I am always amazed by the kindness of strangers.

I don't have access to Ancestry, Pete, but I can certainly visit a library to see if the Canadian Elijah is one and the same. That's a new line of research. Again, thank you both.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 30th November 2016 at 7:48 PM

Dear Jennifer,
Canadian vital records are free and available online from the Candian National Archives known as Library and Archives Canada (LAC). Visit:
With kind regards,

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